The life is a celebrating of that you are live.
The life is a celebrating of that you are live.
Has died Christian Barnard - the surgeon who has made the first
Heart change.
ONE of the last - if not it has given last interview to ours
To correspondent Eleonore Jakovlevoj.
- Mister Barnard, about you often write, that you are a spoilt child
Destinies. Whether so it?
- Probably, in something and so (my interlocutor smiles. - E.JA.).
After all it is possible to look at each vital situation differently.
I was born under the sign of the Scorpion in a poor family. Mother -
The Frenchwoman, the father - the German. I am a senior from five children. Early
Has started to work to have possibility to study. Has ended
The Cape Town university. Everything that has reached, - is exclusive
Thanks to work.
- Whether the technics of carrying out of operations has changed for the past years
On heart change?
- Heart replacement does not differ from pump replacement. It is assured, that
The operation executed by me was not an outstanding discovery.
Simply new surgical technics. Since then the cardinal
Changes has not occurred, unless there were more effective
The medicines interfering tearing away of another's body. Nowadays
In heart transplantation are engaged 230 kardiohirurgicheskih the centres
The world. I consider, that it can undertake the surgeon and small
Hospitals if there is an equipment, allowing to supervise
Process of tearing away of fabrics, and preparations suppressing it. Mine
The first patient to whom in 1967 all world applauded, has lived
With donor heart of only 18 days the second also has died of an infection, -
One and a half year, the fifth - twelve and a half years, the sixth has died
In an old age in 23 years after heart change.
- In Russia the first operation on heart change has made in
Leningrad the well-known surgeon Alexander Vishnevsky. Unfortunately,
Operation has ended with death of the patient. Therefore on carrying out of these
Operations at us the ban, and only in 1987 Valery has been imposed
Shumakov has performed in Moscow the first successful operation on change
Hearts. Meanwhile the first-ever monography on change of bodies
It has been published in 1960 by professor Demihovym...
- I consider professor Demihova as the teacher. If not
Cellars of institute Sklifosovsky (in 60th years there was
Laboratory of professor Demihova. - E.JA.), I never would dare
To perform operation on heart change. Among the first
Having familiarised with the monography of the professor I have bought at once
The tourist permit to Soviet Union for the only purpose
To meet with Demihovym and to assist it. It was possible to me.
(To honour Barnarda it is necessary to tell, that after its successful
Operations on the first-ever change of heart, he has declared at once,
That its patient is obliged by a life to professor Demihovu. - E.JA.).
- Mister Barnard, allow to set to you one incorrect
Question. Whether the truth, what this year to you will be executed 79 years? Looking
On you, in it it is simply impossible to believe.
- I never inform on the age, and only I give the information
To reflexion: I was four times married, I have four children; mine
The oldest daughter - 49 years, and younger are not present also five. I still
It is enamoured in the wives. Marriage for me is an important issue in
The world. Lonely people have every chance to die before the more
Lucky coevals.
(Its first wife from whom at them was two children, has divorced with
It after has found out love letters of the Italian
Movie stars Gins Lollobridzhidy. In a year he married on 19-year-old
To Barbara Zelner, daughters of the South African millionaire. From the second
Marriage at Barnarda two sons were born. Marriage lasted 12 years and was
It is terminated in 1982 as Barbara was dissatisfied, that it
The husband long does not happen at home. In 65 years the professor married in the third
Time. His wife was 24 years old. In one of newspapers it has been published
Photo, on which Karin Settskorn, the bride, in 6-year-old
Age sits in a lap at doctor Barnarda. Last time
Barnard married on... 62-year-old Gin Lollobridzhide. - E.JA.).
- Recently there has passed presentation of your book "50 ways to the healthy
To heart ", published in Russian. What has induced you to write it?
- Long years scientific medical researches mostly
Have been devoted "repair" of the person, instead of preventive maintenance of diseases.
That is why I undertook a writing of this book. In it advice is given:
As it is possible to remain healthy within decades, as
To operate itself, to make a correct choice, to appreciate in a life the main thing.
- You could not tell in brief to our readers about the main thing
In the book?
- For this purpose even the book volume is small. (Laughs. - E.JA.) Well,
I will try. The most important factor in preventive maintenance
Cardiovascular diseases - a food. Therefore the head "Food"
Would begin like with paradox: "Bad news: from diets
Get fat, fall ill, run into depression. Good news: for
To grow thin, the diet "is not necessary to you. I, for example, never
Did not force itself to a healthy food. I eat everything, that it would be desirable. But at
It always I remember words of mother: "Stop is, when you
It is still hungry ". I believe, for eutrophy it most
Practical advice. (The maximum weight which ever had
Barnard, - 85 kgs at growth 185 see - E.JA.).
- You are an opponent of a diet?
- Still never met the person who would like to grow thin,
To reduce loading by a backbone, heart. All aspire
To dump weight, to be more attractive outwardly. In a reality all
Is differently: never in the developed countries was so much
Full people, as now. For example, every third American
Has the excess weight every fifth - adiposity. Adiposity - one
From the most serious problems of medicine of the XXI-st century. And after all the best way
To find a healthy kind - playing sports, in which process
The organism "burns" fat and the muscles become stronger.
It is necessary to care of itself not when you grow old, and from the young
Years: tomorrow's flowers are seeds, posejannye today. However
The long life is good only when it qualitative. Quite
Vitally and normally - alcohol and sex. Earlier I liked white wine
(The truth, plaid about infrequently), but then it badly affected on
My arthritis. Now I drink red - also infrequently. Though it is proved:
Who daily uses a glass-other, that reduces risk
Heart attacks and strokes... And that before sex, that, according to the last
To researches, sexually active people live longer. At the one who
Creatively approaches to sex, the life and in other spheres is more interesting.
- There is an ordinary opinion that sex pacifies, removes
Stress...
- It so. More often we create stress, in the majority
Cases - from anything. However, a such overload for many
Not the enemy, and the ally: it willingly use as an excuse. Personally I
I do not think, that without stress would become the good doctor: the stress was
The motor stimulating my advance. That is valid
Harmfully, so it is eternal haste which became the constant companion
The modern person. In my opinion, regular sex - most
Beautiful, healthy and pleasant way which helps to save
Healthy vessels and heart. I advise to men actively to use
"Viagra" though to me it never was required. Third of life
We spend in a bedroom. So make of it something bolshee, than
The wardrobe. Sex is not new sports discipline. This most
Natural employment in the world.
- What you can discompose?
- I some times in a life worried the strongest stress, and it
It has always been connected with close people. In particular, with divorce:
Parting with the person can call bolshy stress, than it
Death.
Once in the New York hotel robbers have demanded at Sofi
Loren all jewelry, threatening in default to kill its children.
It has opened the safe and all has given. Making comments on the behaviour, Sofi
Has told to me: "In a life I am guided by the motto: never cry
About things which cannot cry about you ". In my opinion, it is enough
The reasonable decision not to be nervous once again.
- Whether the replaced heart is capable to like?
- I believe, it is capable: we after all like not only heart. As,
As we hurt near, sometimes unwillingly, not only reason...
By the way, it is convinced: when the God looks at the Earth, for certain thinks,
That the unique error which it has made, is a creation
The person. Personally I feel quieter among animals.
- "The more I learn people, the dogs" more like?.
- I like animals in general. They understand: the main thing -
To survive, and do not spoil that place where live. It is necessary for the person for a life
It is not enough: meal, air, water and a shelter over a head in conformity
To climate. What does the person do? Pollutes the earth, the rivers, air,
Burns out woods - kills that is necessary for him for a survival.
- It would be interesting to learn from you, the person cheerful, about
Your relation to a question eftanazii.
- Being the practical doctor already more than fifty years, I can
To tell, that I understand death much better, than a life. That has in
To kind the person when speaks: "I live"? That he means,
When speaks: "I enjoy a life"? Or when speaks: "Mine
The life has ended "? The death is the clinical diagnosis based
On certain symptoms and the signs showing, that a brain
Has died. And it happens not when heart has stopped. Sometimes
Heart continues to fight within 6-7 minutes after
The brain has died. The body dies after the brain dies,
As the brain life is connected with breath. Certainly, supporting
Breath of practically already died person, we can force
Heart to continue the job. However after б destruction of a brain it already
It will be impossible to name a life. So, if presence
Palpitation does not mean a life also its absence does not mean
Death. When the God has created the person, that it has made to recover
It? It after all has not started heart, and has inhaled a life in the person. You
Can find out, that in many languages of the world of a word "breath" and
"Soul" coincide. When breath leaves the person - it leaves
Soul. If the life is finished, the doctor should refuse the further
Treatments. The medicine purpose - not to prolong a life, and to improve quality
Lives.
- As I have understood from your book, you do not consider vanity
Negative character trait?!
- The vanity it is good! But it should not be yours
Unique merit. If you, waking up in the morning,
You do not feel any more hunger on the job it is better
Be engaged in something to another. To live for me - means
To function, something to make. Has ceased to make -
Means has ceased to live. I want, that people recollected me as about
The most ordinary person. Megalomania I do not suffer.
- I thank you, professor Barnard, for this meeting. What you
Wished to tell at parting to readers of "the Russian newspaper"?
- I wish to tell it, that the life is a pleasure by a life. It
Celebrating of that you are live.
Eleonora JAKOVLEVA.
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//* an information Source: the Russian newspaper, 4.09.01
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