Sergey Molozhavyj: Than the state owns, anybody does not know.
Sergey Molozhavyj: Than the state owns, anybody does not know.
Vladimir SLUZHAKOV, Evgenie ARSJUHIN.
There HAVE passed those times when in turns abused privatisation, but
The word still remains hardly probable not abusive. Though
Citizens privatised own apartments quickly and with
Pleasure.
We have invited in edition of the person which and is - the Mr.
Privatisation. From the middle 90 it in the Ministry
Property relations of the Russian Federation is responsible for, that Russian
The federation sold efficiently and leased with mind.
The former military man who became the deputy minister, having read
The announcement on a column. Get acquainted - Sergey Molozhavyj.
Privatisation it is not terrible.
- Sergey Vladimirovich, property are money. How much
Money namereno to receive the state from privatisation and
Managements of property this year?
- Last year have received 40 billion roubles. This year
We plan 65. Recently have summed up the first half of the year and
Have understood, that we can plan for 2003 100 billion roubles
Property incomes. I will underline, that since 1997 ours
The ministry has changed a policy. The basic incomes should be
The renewed. Has sold - more you will receive nothing. And
Dividends, rent, profit of the state unitary
The enterprises - "drip" every year. It is pleasant, that a share of these
Incomes constantly grows, and last year it has made
Half from all weight of property incomes.
- Whence double growth undertook?
- The national economy has more effectively earned. The second -
The companies have understood, that it is necessary to pay dividends, including on
To actions in the state property. Sibneft in the past
To year has paid more billion dollars of dividends, one of these days
The meeting of shareholders of "LUKOIL" has added 12 billion
Roubles. And the state has received more billion roubles in a kind
Incomes on the actions. This money goes directly to the budget.
- At a word "privatisation" Russians have got used to shudder.
Recently it became known, that the Government increases
The list of objects, privatizeable in 2002, for
One thousand. It would be desirable to learn, what is this objects.
- One thousand objects - is a lot of it or a little? In the beginning 90
Sold to 30 thousand enterprises a year. Then that year,
It is twice less. Last year - two ten enterprises. But
Have felt, that in vain absolutely have lowered rates.
Now we try to leave on level 1,5 - 2 thousand enterprises in
Year that the file of state enterprises (9,5 thousand) was reduced
To 1,5 - 2 thousand really strategic objects,
First of all the defensive.
"Rests" are now privatised. Those objects, which
De facto already have lost the state status. A part from them
Simply it is time to liquidate, because they possess the small
With actives also balance on the verge of bankruptcy.
- It turns out, that, according to ordinary opinion,
The state - the most bad proprietor?
- You have asked an artful question. If I speak - yes, bad,
I am time for dismissing. And still world practice speaks: not
State business to be engaged in business. State property
Officials at which paramount problem - to execute operate
The next commission of the Government. And the salary somewhere 4-5
Thousand roubles. Therefore to employ professionals
Difficult enough. We - a smithy of shots for business. Come
Young men. Two will work for us the year, at the best, and
Leave. Quality of management leaves much to be desired.
Sharp growth of incomes of management of property has arisen before
In total because have guided an elementary order. But in
Everyday mode to operate the enterprise the state
The official cannot. Therefore there, where there are no basic
The state interests, the state should not climb in
Business.
- The state namereno to leave what large business in
The near future?
- We plan to sell packages of "Svyazinvest", Magnitogorsk
Metallurgical combine, we will study a situation with actions
"Slavneft", "LUKOIL".
- And there are branches where the state remains, nesmotrja on
What?
- The port infrastructure, infrastructure of the airports should
To remain with the state. As well as factories, which
Make an ammunition, difficult systems of arms.
Each monument has a price.
- You could not comment on scandal around
Historical buildings in Moscow? The press states business so, as if
Moscow "rows up" them under itself.
- Rows up is it is too poorly told. It already them for a long time
podgrebla, and now the federal authorities try them
otgresti back. There is a decision of the Supreme body of RSFSR, where
It is written down accurately, that federal monuments are
Exclusively federal property. Nevertheless set
Monuments are actually at Moscow, and it is formal in
Federal conducting, also it is an obstacle, that them
To restore. After all what normal investor will put
Money in disputable object? Whether and from federal or from
The Moscow budget to contain all monuments it is impossible.
I do not insist on that all monuments to return in
The property of the Russian Federation. Probably, 900 monuments
The federal value, located in Moscow, is
mnogovato. Funny things are and is simple. Tver, 13, a mayoralty building
Moscow - a monument of federal value. Therefore it is created
The agency on management of monuments, and in its problem enters
To agree with Moscow. To change standard base.
There is such myth, that Moscow well watches for
Monuments, and federal soldiers badly. Actually it not so.
Monuments which are capable to bring in the income, ruljat all quite
Successfully. And buildings in which it is necessary to put tens
Millions dollars, both at federal soldiers, and at Muscovites decay.
- Sergey Vladimirovich, addresses to you celibate priest Evgenie
Logutin, Mytishchinsky blagochinie. In Noginsk area
The Moscow area is Nikolsky Deserts. In it with 1927
Year on our times - psychiatric hospital N 16. Will be
Whether the question on transfer of Desert to believers is solved at last?
- Yes, there is a governmental order about church transfer
Buildings of religious purpose. But sometimes figures of church
A little bit go to far, together with church premises
Ask to pass them some more adjoining buildings, in which
Apartment houses settle down both culture establishments, and. It turns out
So. We should move these people. To construct for means
The federal budget for them new buildings. Now church on
Lifting and her it is necessary to search for sponsors who could
To construct a new building for the same psychiatric hospital.
To the federal budget it is very heavy.
- It is how much actual in Russia restitutsija?
- Yesterday I had descendants of pre-revolutionary merchants.
Demanded to return a building which till 1917 owned them
Guild. A problem that the majority of buildings are monuments
Federal value, not privatizeable. In general,
On restitutsiju in the pure state Russia does not have money. A situation
The same, as with church monuments - new buildings for
The moved establishments to build there is nothing.
Moscow - the country special.
- Recently we on a visit had your colleague Oleg Tolkachev,
Which "rulit" property of Moscow. He does not get tired to repeat,
That Moscow collects from property of more incomes, than all
Other Russia. Comment.
- So the distribution specification - is established to
Earth differentiations between Moscow and the centre, if the earth
State, and such most of all all ground payments share
In such proportion: 85 percent - Moscow, 15 - to federal soldiers.
Yes, Moscow has more, because so has established the law. But
If to count, who how much collects from square metre,
That federal soldiers somewhere twice is more. The income from the square
Metre of federal property - 1900 roubles. Oleg
Mihajlovich in the beginning of year said, that will collect 700 roubles from metre.
Now plans 900. And it thus, that Moscow hands over in
Rent offices of a class And and a class In, that is a high class. And
At us such in general is not present, at us a class With are buildings
The former scientific research institutes, and D are ruins.
But now we reflect - to compete what for to us? Not
Should be such, that in Moscow there are prices of the Ministry of Property,
The mayoralties of Moscow, Administrative office of the President and private
Proprietors. Since October, 1st in the Central administrative district
The uniform market estimation is entered. Under each contract of rent
The independent appraiser who will tell will work is
Costs it is so much. And copecks it is more or less. And
Muscovites have agreed. Upravdelami the President, I think, too
Will come to it. Yes, it is necessary to spend for an estimation money - from the budget
The ministries. But thanks God, money for it is. And effect
Will be very serious.
- Now in Moscow three state proprietors.
The Ministry of Property, the mayoralty and Administrative office of the President. Whether will be
To become simpler this system?
- The Ministry of Property and the mayoralty of Moscow regulate different levels
Properties. So all over the world. Moscow is engaged in the
The property, and we of the.
- The capital is going to pass the updated law "About bases
Paid land tenure... "This law has condemned
Office of Public Prosecutor, its part has cancelled the Constitutional court. But, similar,
The document again will turn out problem.
- In Russia there is an Office of Public Prosecutor which should challenge
Decisions local the authorities, mismatching the federal
To laws. I think, that if in a new wording the Moscow law
Old sins will repeat, the Office of Public Prosecutor will react, and
The Ministry of Property will oppose Moscow in court.
- According to the Ground code the citizen can
To privatise one site which is in the constant termless
Using, free of charge. Moscow speaks - it is impossible.
- With a position of Moscow I categorically do not agree. More
That, with our federal enterprises the Moscow authorities
Create the same. Now these enterprises make out
Documents on land tenure, that, under the Ground code,
To lease the earths. Come, and to it as scissors
Cut off half of earth. Speak: directly under buildings - yours, and
Other give to Moscow. Otherwise you will have problems.
Whence such position - it is possible to understand. After differentiation
Earth property under GUPami will pass in the federal
The property. The rent will go to the federal budget. And process
Differentiations of the earths starts just now. Prepare
Papers. By the end of year we will sit down for one table - the first
The assistant to federal minister Dmitry Aratsky and Oleg
Tolkachyov. Aratsky speaks - here this earth federal, a Tolkachyov
- And here the city. If contradictions are not present - all,
Have run up. But contradictions will be. If will not agree, will go in
Court. But we will try to minimise these disputes.
- Moscow still thinks, that in the federal
Properties - only the Kremlin, the White house, two-three more objects,
Other Moscow?
- Yes. Their argument - the law on the capital status. And we
We appeal to the law on differentiation of the earths. Everything, that under
The federal enterprises, under joint-stock companies,
Privatised from the federal property, is
The federal earth. Probably, it is necessary to the Constitutional court
To investigate conformity of some Constitution laws. If it accepts
The decision on that the law on the capital status is primary
Moscow, means, so to that and to be.
- Moscow actively refuses to put the earth into circulation. And
Now there was a new argument. The earths reserved under
Building, under highways, will not be on sale. Such
The earths of 95-98 percent of the area of Moscow...
- Really, Moscow has found an opening in the Ground code.
It is impossible to forbid at all earth sale - give it
Let's reserve. I think, what is it it is necessary to challenge in court, but
Nobody wishes to have legal proceedings with Moscow. Businessmen among themselves
Speak - "let's find the kamikaze who will create
Judicial precedent ". After all now any joint-stock company
Can go to Moskomzem and tell: "There is a Ground code,
Sell to me my earth ". To it, naturally, will give up. Then -
In court. But while such kamikaze was not. Because,
If you win court, at you the specific will begin
Problems.
- Not trading in the earth, Moscow sells the rent right. Now,
Judging by the letter of our reader, before have guessed and in
Peter. How much it is lawful?
- This order mismatches the ground code.
It is illegal to force to the repayment of the right of rent of those who is already real
Occupies a site. It should be cancelled or under protests
Offices of Public Prosecutor, or under judicial claims. Not clearly, why Moscow
Persistently keeps for this become outdated and inefficient
The mechanism. Arrange among potential tenants auction on
The right of the conclusion of the contract of rent. Applicants should
To bargain - who will give to a city, in the budget more.
- Last inventory of property passed in Moscow in
1998, and the new here has begun. What for so it is frequent?
- We come into place where the building in the federal appears
Properties, also we see, that it is taken down, and constructed
Absolutely another. As a rule, it is done by the director of establishment on
To the agreement with the investor. We offer the investor: that
It is taken down, costed so much... Allocate to us a share in again
The constructed. If you do not want - then in court, and then we in general all
We can withdraw.
The secretary as the lobbyist.
- From time to time the press informs on the facts of the illegal
Privatisations. And the state tries to return such property
To itself. As a hotel complex in Dagomys, for example.
Accordingly, business blows, that nationalisation has gone.
- It not is any campaign. Simply, putting things in order, we
We see, that here and there officials have exceeded the powers.
The property has left from the state in general. The Most sensational
Affairs concern hotels, sphere of service, trade. They
The first have left on sale, when many acts
Simply did not exist. Other business - privatisation any
The oil company which before sale was considered in
Magnifier - there and infringements a minimum. However, the legislation
Was in the beginning 90 such incomplete, that, having rummaged in
Privatisation affairs of 1992-1995, always it is possible to find
Any formal infringements.
By the way, for some reason round the officials occupied with privatisation,
There was such image as if all steal. For all time
Jobs in the Ministry of Property at us was only two cases, when
The person got under suspicion, and that they have not reached court. Three
Case in territorial bodies. And a victim were. On
To Kamchatka two years ago have poured sulfuric acid of the chairman
Territorial administration, he has died.
That before nationalisation... Is black and white, there is a God -
There is a devil, there is a privatisation - there is a nationalisation. These
Things are indissoluble. Until recently at us a word
"Nationalisation" it was perceived with a fright. But it exists in
To any country. If the given piece is necessary for the state
The earths, means, it should have the right of nationalisation. But
The law on it is not present till now. There is its project. Now it
It is improved, costs in plans of job of the Government. However,
In that kind in what nationalisation is presented in the present
The bill, will realise it difficult enough.
There it is told: it is necessary to redeem at proprietors property on
To market price. Money for it should be put in pawn in the budget,
And actually there they are not present.
- We heard, that somehow time your secretary
Has promoted that has somewhat quicker left in the municipal property
Military station where she lived. And now to you addresses
The chairman of Zherdevsky district council of the Tambov area
Vladimir Gromov. There the former military garrison costs without light and
Heat. 2 thousand persons wait for the decision of the same question.
- Yes, my secretary lives in the military man who was already
Small town, and it has promoted, that left faster
The governmental order and its small town has left to munitsipalam. All
Like becomes simply. The order - in three lines. But
It is necessary to put huge sheet to this document with
The description of property which, as a rule, is not issued in any way.
Earlier, couple of years back, on such subtleties gave up as a bad job, and
Then people had problems. Now we try,
That it was accurate. At the desire of your reader I will ask
Our division that it has accelerated job.
- Tell, than the biggest proprietor of Russia, owns
There is a state?
- 300 million square metres of the real estate. 3,5 thousand
Share holdings, from control to one piece. With the such
Single actions, former gold, by the way, most of all
Troubles. The report of information about its sale costs more expensively
Her. 9,5 thousand GUPov and about 30 thousand federal
Establishments. Foreign property - balance cost nearby
2 billion dollars, market - time in 6-7 is more. Here
What the Russian Federation owns.
- And if all it in money?
- To estimate, it is necessary to spend ten millions
Dollars. How much is "LUKOIL" share holding - it is clear, it is necessary
To increase quantity of actions by the quotation. And a share holding
Any small machine-building factory? Actions not
Are quoted, do not address in the market. If there is an investor, which
Wishes them to buy, they can cost some millions
Dollars. If is not present - a zero. Roughly all state blocks of shares of actions
Stand an order of 60 billion dollars. State enterprises I not
I undertake to estimate even approximately.
Vladimir SLUZHAKOV, Evgenie ARSJUHIN have prepared.
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//* an information Source: the Russian newspaper, 16.07.02
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